interesting.. tell me what u think.

[McTucket]

saw someone post this up in myspace, thought it was interesting... lookin to see what peeps think.


Racism
Body: You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.

You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and you think it's OK.

But when I call you, nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.

If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.

If we had white history month, we'd be racists.

If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.



You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.




I am white.
I am proud.




But, you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists?

[thegreaterbad]

man oh man, i am gonna post it on mine, i wonder what kind of responses I will get :cool:

[Jethro]

Im not a racist, but its true.

My motto: Im a equal oppertunity racist, I hate everyone equally!

[3043]

This message is a not too subtle disguised form of racism. The entire thing is bullshit.

It is easy to see things in black and white, us vs. them or any other clearly divided bullshit. But the world is rarely so straight forward. In fact, there is almost always many shades of gray to the truth.

The first problem with the ideas presented here is there is no "white" race. There is no "white" pride. When people of european decent define themselves as "white" you are really just calling yourself non-black.

What exactly is "white"? English? German? Maybe Czech? How about French Gaul? Or Norman? Italian? Maybe you prefer Russian? All of those "races" have physical distinguishments that make them slightly different from each other but at least they aren't black? Is that what white pride is? Bullshit.

So the idea is both flawed and racist on its face. But it doesn't stop being wrong there.


"You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and you think it's OK.""
What, black people can't unapologetic rascists, too? Of course they can be just as ingnorant and stupid as anyone. So if there exists rascism on one "side" its ok for there to be some on the other? Two wrongs make a right then, is that what this is suggesting? That's kindergarten logic. And pure bullshit.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live

A nicely ignorant statement. Probably by someone who has never been to a ghetto. This is a statiscally and logically bankrupt statement. It makes no sense whatsoever.

If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
You have Black History Month


Not so cleverly done. There is no white but there are definitively people of african decent. AND up until the 1870's (some might say the 1970's) every channel was the "white" channel and every month was white history month and every day was white pride day.


You have the NAACP.

Any "white" person in america hasn't had an ancestor that was a slave for probably 1000 years or more. The average american of african decent's greatgrandmother or great-great grandmother was a slave. A fucking piece of cattle with no rights and no say. If blacks want to have an NACCP get the fuck over it. Until recently there were people still alive that knew their former slave relatives. Knew them and talked to them like you talk to your family. Maybe there was/is a need to advance the position of colored people, eh?

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.

Overt racism now. Recall unitl just 46 years ago blacks, though the represented almost a third of the all US citizens did not go to college in any APPRECIABLY numbers and in the 1960's a CONCERTED effort was made to keep them from going.

Martin Luther King day is not a day to celebrate blacks. Its a day to celebrate a great, courageous and remarkable in almost every way AMERiCAN CITIZEN.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.


Sorry but the "white" race went OUT OF ITS way to keep down black yellow orange and red people down for HUNDREDS of YEARS. While it is unfair to expect "white" people now to suffer for such actions the fucking sting of racism, oppression and slavery lasts a long fucking time. Deal. These aren't black people that are behaving this way but AMERICANS who still feel the a little sting that there great great grandma was owned, traded a whipped like cattle. I'm not saying that "we" should feel guilty or even bad. Its not my fault these things happened. But my last relative that was a slave was probably 1500 years ago. It doesn't bug me. And thats a long time, Im not saying it will take that long but maybe a few more generations are in order before we find some lame excuse to lose our compassion and understanding.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.


You are neither white nor proud. Just ignorant and rascist. I have never heard a white police officer called such things under such circumstances. Sounds like pure bullshit. And I guess people of no other race rob, carjack or shoot "white" people? Bullshit again. I have more but I doubt anyone is still reading...

[McTucket]

lol you have said some things that are truthful... alot of this is ignorance, but you are missing his point....


things are getting out of control...

equal oportunity is fucking bullshit.

he may not have said that, but this is what im stating.

oh yah, and the most dangerous place ive personally been is the ghetto... i grew up in one for 13 years...

[3043]

White powah my white brothas and sistahs.

Kum on white peeple!! Get together!


Let's get that little black boy from Captain Planet!!!

[Ranma]

3043, youre a fucking idiot..
It isnt racism to be annoyed that its ok for someone black to call us a cracker, but its racism for us to sya nigger. Both are racist statements. Its reverse racism to say they arent.
Lower income areas in major cities DO have a higher crime rate then any other area of the coun try. Argueing that that is untrue is dumb as fuck.
Your statement on the white issue is right, even during Feburary "Black History Month" its still white history month. We learn how one black person did one thing and then how it effected all the white people.
What is "White"?? Someone from European descent typically. Is it not black? Yes, and not oriental or hispanic or kangaroo for that matter. Acting like everyone doesnt know what white means is like asking for the definition of "is".
As of the NAACp, nice way to bring the slave issue back. EVERYONE in GNG who has personally owned a slave, bought a slave, or seen a slave at work will personally send YOU $1000000, expect the checks to come rolling in. I am sick of hearing how awfull slaves had it. Sure it sucks, it was wrong, and it also happened before my dads, dads, dads dad was born. Quit fuckin accusing me of shit that I wouldnt even know if it wasnt in a book.
And the whole "Sorry but the "white" race went OUT OF ITS way to keep down black yellow orange and red people down for HUNDREDS of YEARS. While it is unfair to expect "white" people now to suffer for such actions the fucking sting of racism, oppression and slavery lasts a long fucking time. Deal. These aren't black people that are behaving this way but AMERICANS who still feel the a little sting that there great great grandma was owned, traded a whipped like cattle. I'm not saying that "we" should feel guilty or even bad. Its not my fault these things happened. But my last relative that was a slave was probably 1500 years ago. It doesn't bug me. And thats a long time, Im not saying it will take that long but maybe a few more generations are in order before we find some lame excuse to lose our compassion and understanding." is a lameass excuse (wrapped with some understanding) to basically say my great great great granpappy MIGHT have owned a slave, so I should keep my mouth shut and be happy this is all the shit I have to eat..

I am not a racist, I dont believe in racism in EITHER direction.

2 Facts.
1. FAMUs college Motto "The Blacker The College, The Sweeter The Knowledge". Reverse RAcism.
2. African Americans only make up 13% of the population, but comprise 45% of the prison population. Mostly due to the fact that a black person is 78% THATS RIGHT 78% more likely to get the maximum jail sentence for a crime then a white person... Two people Rob a bank, Jimmy gets 2 Years, Tyrone gets 20. That fair? Think not.

[Phenix]

i love you chick.

Im not gonna get into this discussion at length, but I do agree with Chick on a few things.
I do not, have not, and never will ahve slaves. I am not responsible for any bullshit that happened to any group of people. I dont hate jews, blacks, asians, arabs, and I will therefore not be discriminated against becasue of what someone else did. It's bullshit to give one group help and fuck another becasue of what happened in the past. I agree, racism sucks, slavery sucks, but equal opportunity is discrimination too. Giving someone a job, scholarship, raise, etc. to meet a quota, is fucked up. If someone deserves it becasue of who they are
(as in they work hard, etc.) then by all meabns give them the rewards. But don't give someone a reward because of race, or ethnic background.

Helping someone who needs the help is wonderful, I am totally for it. All the way. But when in helping someone, you screw over someone else who worked harder, or did it better, how is that possibly the right thing?


PS I did such a horrible job of not getting into this discussion. LOL oops!!!

[HHBizzle]

we must be the change
http://www.grioo.com/images/rubriques/5/2071.jpg
we wish to see

[3043]

Somehow, i don't think I'm the fucking idiot here. Maybe you should read my post a bit more carefully. Seems to me a "fucking idiot" would miss my point as I made it VERY OBVIOUS.

"It isnt racism to be annoyed that its ok for someone black to call us a cracker, but its racism for us to sya nigger."

I never said or implied that. Where did you glean that shit from? What I said was,

"What, black people can't unapologetic rascists, too? Of course they can be just as ingnorant and stupid as anyone. So if there exists rascism on one "side" its ok for there to be some on the other? Two wrongs make a right then, is that what this is suggesting?"

Which translates to the rhetoric question: Just because black people are racist that means its ok for white people to be racist? That is what Tuckets copied post suggests. I never said it wasn't racism if a black person uses a racial epithet on a "white" person. I await your apology for attacking me after YOU misinterpreted what I posted. Maybe you should ask for a clarification before you make an assumption?

Then you misconstrue something I didn't even say. Which would be funny if you weren't being so vicious.

"Lower income areas in major cities DO have a higher crime rate then any other area of the coun try. Argueing that that is untrue is dumb as fuck."

First of all your argument is "dumb as fuck.", as you say. There are parts of my town that have much higher crime rates than lower income areas of some major cities. Plus, do only blacks live in poor areas as Tuckets post suggests? Poverty does not necessarily equal crime or being black. I should know, my family was very poor and lived in such areas for almost half my life.

I was arguing that not only blacks live in ghettos as was suggested in Tuckets copied post.

"Your statement on the white issue is right, even during Feburary "Black History Month" its still white history month. We learn how one black person did one thing and then how it effected all the white people."

Is that what you really learned? Martin Luther's goal was not to "effect all the white people." I think you are missing the point.

"What is "White"?? Someone from European descent typically. Is it not black? Yes, and not oriental or hispanic or kangaroo for that matter. Acting like everyone doesnt know what white means is like asking for the definition of "is"."

First of all kangaroos are a different species. Blacks, asians and hispanics are different generalizations of races. White is not a race. European is not a race.

Your whole paragraph makes no sense. You should try reading what I wrote. WTF is typical European descent? Have you ever even been to Europe? The Irish do not look like French Gaul. Bulgarians do not look like the dutch. So what is white? That was my point. Calling yourself white is calling yourself non-black or non-asian or non-indian. Defining who you are by who you are not is the first step towards rascism. There is no "white" race. Why does that bother you so much?

The slave issue has been brought back? It has barely been gone for 100 years. Our country has only been in existance for 230 years. Slavery existed for over 90 years (and also well before there was a US) and then there was a little war fought to keep it. Maybe you heard of the south's "peculair institution". The oppression that followed the emancipation was vicious, inhuman and anti-American. It went on for about the next 90 years. Quick lets sweep it under the rug, is that what you want? Let's pretend it wasn't so bad. You should learn your American history. Let's do the math 90 + 90 =180, 230-180= 50. So, for the VAST MAJORITY of American history there have been HUGE racial issues. Deal with it. Or ignore it. I don't give a shit. But don't pretend its faded or gone away or even is a non-issue. And certainly don't say, "Well its been about 50 years since the last lynching, overt oppression or whatever so its a good idea to have some "white" pride. Those blacks should just get over the 200 years of slavery that Europeans iiflicted on the black race." You sound like a buffoon.


If there was an organization to advance colored people maybe, JUST MAYBE, there was a reason for such an organization. It would be better to look as to why blacks felt they needed such an organization rather than how awful it isthat there is one.

Maybe you should learn some history before you spout off.

And um, I didn't accuse YOU of anything. I accused who ever wrote that ignorant post that Tucket copied of writing bullshit. If you are tired of hearing how bad slaves had it then don't read about it. I'm sure you have had just tons of exposure to how bad it was. You sound like a whiney bitch.

Sorry, but the public education system doesn't even begin to touch on the plight of African descendents. And even if you have a college education the core req's for "history" just scratch the surface. Get a clue. You sound like a "fucking idiot". The gist of my post was Black pride and white pride do not equal one another.

"to basically say my great great great granpappy MIGHT have owned a slave, so I should keep my mouth shut and be happy this is all the shit I have to eat.."

What? I purposely said in my post
I'm not saying that "we" should feel guilty or even bad. Its not my fault these things happened.[/I]

I never even implied that your family were slave owners. It's odd that you should think that from my post.

I said nothing about keeping YOUR mouth shut. Why is my post so much about you? Did you post that thing that tucket copied? I CLEARLY said that it is not "my" fault, meaning any "white" person's fault alive today.

It doesn't matter if any of "our" relatives owned slaves or not. Slavery is not our fault. To repeat, because obviously you miss my point, we shouldn't feel guilty or bad.

I'm not sure what "shit" you have to eat. Maybe you could elaborate. Do you mean that you don't like hearing about the bad things that exist in the recent history of our country or that racism in extremis only ended 50 years ago?

The only person who should shut their mouth is the ignorant fuck that wrote the post that Tucket copied. In case you are still not getting my point I will fucking repeat them one more time in clear bullet points:

-The White Pride post is bullshit.
-There is no white race. Eurpean descent is a gross generalization.
-Defining yourself in terms of opposites is how racism starts.
-Anyone can be racist against any race and blacks are no exception.
-The writer of the post somehow suggests that people think its ok for blacks to be racist against whites. This is just not true. Further, it takes the tone of the "aggrieved white person" which is total bull shit.
-Not all poor areas are ridden with crime.
-Not all ghettos are populated with blacks or only blacks. To suggest either of these things is both ignorant and racist.
-Not all "low income" areas are the same
-Martin Luther King Day is a holiday to celebrate a great American, not to celebrate a race.
-The UNCF was set up to help counter the resistance of blacks going to or getting into college. (Think hoses, dogs and certain southern governors)
-Not all robberies, carjacking etc, like the post suggests, are perpetrated by blacks. To claim so is racist in the extreme.


I await your apology. Somehow, I don't think its coming but you can prove me wrong...

[Phenix]

just a reminder 3043,
you are from New Jersey. New Jersey smells bad. Just in case you forgot. :wink:

[3043]

Jersey is a lovely state, what are you implying?

Oh wait, all the chemicals in the air, pollution in the water, corruption in the gov't, traffic on the road, landfills and superfund sites in our towns and radon in our basements have made me delusional.

You are right, this place is a dump. I can't wait to move out of this stinky state. My oldest goes to college in four years...counting down...

BTW- did you know the mason dixon line actual ran through NJ? Clipped the southern part of the state and NJ still has a strong KKK membership. One of my closest friends in highs school harbored relations with the clan. I didn't find out until after high school at my wedding I went to introduce him to a black friend from work and he wouldn't talk to him or even look at him. And they both were even in the same profession. Too bad.

[McTucket]

oooooooooooooh! 30's got relations to the KKK!!!!!!!!!



how do you not know one of your closest friends is a bigot?

[Phenix]

oooooooooooooh! 30's got relations to the KKK!!!!!!!!!



how do you not know one of your closest friends is a bigot?

dude, i didnt know one of my friends was into dressing up like a clown and having sex with dogs and little boys... until you told me you did. :wink:

Sometimes you just cant tell

[3043]

oooooooooooooh! 30's got relations to the KKK!!!!!!!!!



how do you not know one of your closest friends is a bigot?

Well, I guess part of it was willful ignorance by me and part of it was just how tasty the potato salad is at the klan rallies.

Seriously tho', in my home town there were enough black people that it never occurred to me that anyone would be racist. I thought we all just got along. Me and my liberal optimism. I had overlooked the fact that he never associated himself with any of my black friends. In fact, in 22 years of friendship I can only recall him talking to one black person ever, my friend Kieth, and Kieth was the least "black" of prolly all black people in town.

[McTucket]

was he a dick towards them, or he just politely never talked to them..

[3043]

Nahh, but I saw some pics of him hanging out with his "other" friends and they had taken a bunch of old doors out to the woods to shoot as targets. We used to do this alot but on this occasion I saw the pics and some of the targets on the doors. They were a bit suggestive.

[McTucket]

i follow.

you still talk, or chill with him?

[3043]

We only occassionally talk now. I have since moved from my "ghetto" and he doesn't like to travel far from home. We don't have much in common anymore. It's sad to lose a friend after so much time but things happen, people grow (or don't) and people change (or don't).

What really cinched it, if you are interested, is he got involved with some bitch and when she treated him badly I told him so BUT only after he asked for my honest opinion. I was honest but I didn't fire with all guns but it turned out it was not what he wanted to hear. He wanted reassurance that it was ok to date this stone cold bitch. Our friendship really took a preciptous dive then and we talked less and less. He eventually proposed and though I was in the wedding my wife was late to ceremony and she refused to talk to me or my wife ever again. So, I had less and less to say to him. One day it came time for our six month phone call and he called and told my wife, just loud enough for him to hear me, to tell him I wasn't home. I haven't called him and he hasn't called me since.

The whole thing is sad, really, bc he wasn't a bad kid but he did get worse with age. He and his family helped me out alot from the troubles I had as a kid but he just became more of a douchebag as he got older or I started to notice what a dick he was.

For example - I bought my first motorcycle when I was 18. Between that time and the time he bought his first bike I had owned four bikes and rode exclusively in the summer and while in college. I rode alot. He bought his first bike when he 25 a real nice 1100 honda cruiser for 8000 bucks. Three years later, when he started his own business, he wanted to sell it. It was a great bike, well maintained and tricked out. He knew I liked it and admired it even though it was shaft driven. I asked him about it and he said he had already offered it to a close and mutual friend of ours (a chick nonehtheless) for 6800. I was willing to pay the whole 8000. I couldn't understand it but he was my friend so I said its cool.

Then a few months later he needed a silent partner in his business - it was really taking off. He needed to rent a bigger shop and hire another person. He asked all of our mutual friends but me for money. It wasn't a pride thing but I don't know what it was. He would have been a solid investment. I waited and waited and finally after hearing he took out a loan AND borrowed some money from a friend I thought that's it. I had some extra money at the time, (it was, of course, during Clinton's presidency), and I invested all of it. Worked out good for me BUT he came around knocking for money and I had none. When I asked why he asked me last he had no answer.

I still wasnt done with him at that point. In the summer he would get so busy he would call me and ask if I could run the office of the shop for him bc he was needed on the floor. If I wasn't working I would do it, no problem. He even paid me. Keep in mind as an RN, (this is b4 I started teaching), I was making 2 and 1/2 times what he was paying me but I gladly did it on my day off - it was fun, in and out of doors all day and didn't involve sick people. Plus, I only worked 3 days a week so I had some free time. This went on all summer and I even would stay after the shop closed and help him work on motors. Keep in mind I know NOTHING about boat motors and only very very little about car motors. Hot summer days, 12-15 hours long that would often end with me crawling around the bottom of boats trying to do shit I know little about. It was fun to learn but w/e right? Still knuckle busting hard work. A lot of it tedious at times. And I'm not a small guy, I'm 6'1 and 230 pounds. Crawling around boats in the middle of the summer can fucking suck. Contorting and twisting, your ass and legs hanging out.

well anyway towards the end of the summer I call him on monday and ask him if needs me on wednesday and he says no, things are slacking off. So I schedule and overtime day in the ED. Big bucks. On tuesday night he calls me and TELLS me to come in and I tell him I already scheduled a day at my regular job and I can't get out of it. He hangs up on me. And doesn't ask me back that summer. He actually wanted me to apologize for messing his schedule up. I never did, tho; at the time i regreted it. Now, I see him for the asshole he was. The bottom line was I was doing him a favor and he never even thanked me for it. Instead, he gave me shit.

Alright, enough bitching. That's the story of the Rob. WTF was the point of all this anyway? lol

[McTucket]

thanks. i was curious.

that settles that.

[Maull]

DAVE CHAPELLE where are you? come back and make racism FUN again.

[Ranma]

-The White Pride post is bullshit.
Never said it wasnt.

-There is no white race. Eurpean descent is a gross generalization.
Generalize all you want, ask anyone anywhere what a white person is and they will answer you. Wheter you want to admit it or not, a mojority of people you talk to will agree with me that white makes sense to them. If you want to skin a cat over wheter its accurate or not who cares. EVERYONE knows what the fuck you mean when you say white.

-Defining yourself in terms of opposites is how racism starts.
True.

-Anyone can be racist against any race and blacks are no exception.
Very true.

-The writer of the post somehow suggests that people think its ok for blacks to be racist against whites. This is just not true. Further, it takes the tone of the "aggrieved white person" which is total bull shit.
Now YOU are missing the point. The point isnt that its ok for either to be racist, the point is your vilified if you act racist and are white, its almost expected if your black. Ugly or not its sadly true.

-Not all poor areas are ridden with crime.
True.

-Not all ghettos are populated with blacks or only blacks. To suggest either of these things is both ignorant and racist.
"Lower income areas in major cities DO have a higher crime rate then any other area of the coun try. Argueing that that is untrue is dumb as fuck." That was my statement. Some lowerer income areas are filled with blacks, some whites, some hispanics. I was just saying ghettos DO have a higher crime rate then a middle income area. Know several people mugged in low income areas, never known a single one mugged walking down a middle income area.

-Not all "low income" areas are the same
Very true, no arguement there.

-Martin Luther King Day is a holiday to celebrate a great American, not to celebrate a race.
Once again true, Never said a single thing about Martin Luther King. Dunno why you went there, unless that was about the article again, not me.

-The UNCF was set up to help counter the resistance of blacks going to or getting into college. (Think hoses, dogs and certain southern governors)
I never had a problem with the UNCF, once again I am assuming that you are discussing the article again.

-Not all robberies, carjacking etc, like the post suggests, are perpetrated by blacks. To claim so is racist in the extreme.
It would be hard to assume that a majority of ANY crime in this country was done by a race with only comprises 13% of the population.

I do not apologize for my post, I believe everything I said there and say now. I DO apologize for calling you a fucking idiot because you arent. I disagree with you, but that doesnt make you a fucking or a idiot.

[McTucket]

haha 30, i like how you were so politically correct by saying "tuckets copied post" every 3 words lol.

[Sammie]

EVERYONE in GNG who has personally owned a slave, bought a slave, or seen a slave at work will personally send YOU $1000000, expect the checks to come rolling in.

Sex slaves count right?

Send me my check bitch!!!

[psychonaut13]

racism, from any direction or reasoning is wrong. i don't say this to be politically correct...you can ask sammie if you'd like..i don't play that game.

judging someone based on the color of their skin/ethniticity or any other manner other than your personal experience with them is just fuct up.

as someone posted above me...sorry can't remember the name right off...we MUST be the change that we wish to see in the world.

stoking a fire doesn't put it out. causing greater division between us doesn't help.

dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
its like breathing with a respirator
it eases the conscience of the most conscious
and calculating violator
words can reduce a person to an object
something more easy to hate
an inanimate entity
completely disposable
no problem to oblitherate
----language of violence...Disposable Heroes Of HipHopcracy

if you wish to see an end to racism in all of it's forms, it doesn't do any good to cause further use of racism.

there are difference that our minds make up to define everything in our realities. those definitions, those differences the 1's and 0's the ons and offs...those things are keeping you strapped into the bondage of your mind and preventing you from living freely.

for the good of all beings, please release yourself.
the mother ship is waiting on you.