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3043
04-25-2006, 01:02 PM
Yesterday morning I was watching a live feed stream of an English broadcast of a Russian news channel. (http://www.russiatoday.ru/onair.html)The story that really caught my eye was the press conference of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the main points hit by the Russia Today correspondent were Ahmadinejad's renouncing nuclear weapons as contrary to Islam and his reiteration of Iran's 30-year commitment to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, though Iran reserved the right to revisit its commitment if adherence to the treaty imperiled its sovereignty. It was an unexpectedly optimistic piece. Ahmadinejad was allowed to speak at length and appeared relaxed and informed while fielding questions. He appeared quite different than the ranting fanatic that has been presented to me by the western media. If the excerpts were representative and the translation accurate, he appeared to be credibly attempting to defuse the crisis.


Naturally we need to compensate for spin whatever the source, and Russian news tailored for a foreign audience has a spin no less than Wolf Blitzer's Panic Room, for sure.

But there's a Central Casting-like, almost disney-ish and certainly melodramatic quality to Ahmadinejad's villainy. If he didn't exist the Pentagon would have had to create him to justify moving the goalpost to Tehren. The shocker (or maybe not so shocking to the more jaded among us) was just how taken aback by the absolute unfamiliarity of the same press conference I was when soon after I started reading accounts of it in the Western media.

Get ready for more carpet bombing (please see Regime Change Part II (http://www.thegng.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2864&page=7)):

The accent was almost entirely upon provocation, not concilation:

"the UN lacks guts (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1883441&page=1)to impose sanctions"

""Defiant Iran in threat (http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=17&art_id=17303&sid=7643322&con_type=1)to quit nuclear treaty"

"Iranian President insists 'Israel (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article359954.ece)can not continue to live.'"

So the question is Did he really spout such shit?
Without a good grasp of Persian I'm forced to look elsewhere - so I started with english, my native and best tongue.

Did he insist that Israel must die? The headline is drawn from this quote, provided without context: "We say that this fake regime cannot logically continue to live." To arrive at the headline, the government has to be conflated with the nation. Likewise I could say about the Bush administration, and with considerable accuracy, that "this fake regime cannot logically continue to survive." And is that the same as saying America must die?


Ahmadinejad says the darnedest things, but perhaps, when translated, his rhetoric is subject to overinflation (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm) by parties interested in conflict.

But maybe all this doesn't matter. The go-between media appears only to egg Bush and Ahmadinejad on like a pack of jumpy kids itching for the stimulus of a good after-school fight.

I have changed my stance, however, and am turning towards cautious optimism in this matter. Or maybe cautious neutrality is better. A chorus of just one wise word, something like "Enough," should be sufficient now to deter the Bush regime which, judging by the politics alone, ought to be the most vulnerable since Nixon's circa 1974. The question is, then, are there enough true patriots to raise such a chorus? And if so, will the "liberal" media smack them around hard enough (Cindy Sheehan (http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml)) to raise the ire of Pro-War america against reason yet again?

If all things were equal I guess I might be cautiously sliding towards optimism but 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4 in the US government; American politics is putting on an ever-more piss-poor pantomime of representative government. So I guess I am wondering just how loud that chorus would need to be...

Phenix
04-25-2006, 03:49 PM
once again Thirty, thank you for keeping me informed when Im too busy to search for the news myself.

3043
04-25-2006, 06:38 PM
Others news sources are quite valuable, eh?

McTucket
04-25-2006, 07:07 PM
the iran guy is just blowing smoke up all of our asses... i dont trust him one bit... then again, i dont know who to trust anymore...

JimbobSS
04-25-2006, 07:28 PM
I still want to see what happens when the US takes its watchful eye off of the world abroad. It would be nice to see how the middle east and africa would most likely fall apart and revert back to the dark ages where they are all killing eachother and fighting just for the sake of fighting.

Thanks for the information 3043, very enlightening.:cool:

McTucket
04-25-2006, 07:47 PM
the us takes it apon itself to police the world...

thegreaterbad
04-25-2006, 09:29 PM
America World Police, America FUCK YEAH. if we dont play the Big Brother, Israel wouldve been wiped out years ago, and everyone would be speaking German and Japanese, and that wouldnt be cool :doubt:

McTucket
04-26-2006, 02:17 PM
gb, very very true.. agree 100%, although id just like to point the fact out that this "cycle" happens every few hundred years or so... something like that anyway... where theres a controlling power in the world... its just our turn right now....

im interested to see when our time is up, and im also interested in seeing whether the end of days prophecies that are said to happen.. ranging between 2000 and 2012..... are actually going to happen...


to say something about my last words, the Bible says noone will expect the day to happen... when it happens.... its supposed to come when its least expected... so we will see if it happens before 2012/..//

Sammie
04-26-2006, 06:37 PM
Most people think,
Great God will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights. Jah!


....

Johnnie Walker
04-27-2006, 12:30 PM
By looking around one could see a steady decline in American power of sorts through falling exchange rates and growing rates of anti-american sentiment in many countries. After travelling to some countries I've seen there are many that distain us in some ways but at the same time don't dislike most the population; instead wondering whats going on with those in charge of our country and why we spread this veil of ignorance throughout the U.S. population. Just the feeling I get from educated people in other countries and talks with my father who has traveled a good amount.

McTucket
04-27-2006, 02:28 PM
the day when people stop coming to America because its the "land of opportunity and prosperity" is the day il say we've been replaced by... china or some shit...



btw, i was in the capitol building in dc today... and id just like to say one thing...

if i worked there, not only would i get laid every night by hot intern bitches....

id pwn the fuck out of that place!

Phenix
04-27-2006, 03:47 PM
From CNN.com
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed Thursday that "no one" could make "the Iranian nation" give up its nuclear technology.

The United States, France and Britain say if Iran does not meet the U.N. Security Council's Friday deadline to stop enriching uranium, they will seek to make the demand compulsory.

At a NATO foreign ministers' meeting in Sofia, Bulgaria, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the credibility of the United Nations Security Council was as stake as the world body decides how to deal with Iran's likely rejection of Friday's U.N. deadline to bring its nuclear program in line with international demands.

"In order to be credible, the Security Council of course has to act," Rice told reporters.

Ahmadinejad also warned the United States and its European allies that they would regret a decision to "violate the rights of the Iranian nation."

"The Iranian nation has acquired nuclear fuel production technology. It didn't get assistance from anybody and nobody can take it back," Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in western Iran Thursday.

His comments were broadcast live on state television.

Iran has rejected the Security Council's deadline.

Ahmadinejad announced earlier this month that Iran had produced enriched uranium for the first time.

Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, will report Friday on Iran's compliance with the Security Council demand.

Uranium enrichment can produce fuel for nuclear power or material for nuclear warheads.

"They must know that the Iranian nation will not give in one iota to oppression," Ahmadinejad said.
Iran tops talks among Western leaders

Iran's standoff with the West is expected to dominate talks that open Thursday between Rice and her counterparts from NATO and European Union nations even though the Iran question is not on the official agenda.

Rice said it was "pretty clear" that Iran would not meet the requirements set by the IAEA, regarding the enrichment of uranium -- a process that can produce fuel for generators or fissile material for nuclear weapons.

"The Security Council is the primary and most important institution for the maintenance of peace and stability and security and it cannot have its will and its word simply ignored by a member state," Rice said.

The alliance's Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said the issue will be discussed at an informal dinner bringing together NATO and EU nations on the sidelines of the regular spring gathering of NATO foreign ministers.

Security Council members China and Russia, who are reluctant to impose sanctions on Iran, urged all parties to not act hastily.

"We hope the relevant parties can keep calm and exercise restraint to avoid moves that would further escalate the situation," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in Siberia with German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters, "It's still too early to run ahead and say what decision we might take together."

He reiterated Russia's position in support of the nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction and Iran's right to develop nuclear energy for power generation. "Iran must have an opportunity to develop modern technologies and peaceful nuclear energy," Putin said.

Merkel also highlighted Tehran's obligations under the nonproliferation treaty.

"We are not talking about banning Iran from using nuclear energy for civilian goals, but it must keep to its obligations and agreements. And probably the report will say this clearly," Merkel said.

3043
04-28-2006, 01:23 PM
From George Orwell's 1984:

All the beliefs, habits, tastes, emotions, mental attitudes that characterize our time are really designed to sustain the mystique of the Party and prevent the true nature of present-day society from being perceived. Physical rebellion, or any preliminary move toward rebellion, is at present not possible. From the proletarians nothing is to be feared. Left to themselves, they will continue from generation to generation and from century to century, working, breeding, and dying, not only without any impulse to rebel, but without the power of grasping that the world could be other than it is.

Sammie
04-28-2006, 04:32 PM
very well stated

and you can tell Orwell was heavily influenced by Marx

Marx has been given a terrible rap b/c his name has been tied into the false "commie" governments that have popped up. Marx spent his life studying capitalism. He spoke very little of communism and spoke out against those who used his name to back their own agendas.

There will be no rebellion. People are too lazy. That's the main reason I choose not to breed. I don't feel compelled on any level to perpetuate this infrastructure.




The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e., the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force -Marx

All I know is I'm not a Marxist.
-Marx

McTucket
04-28-2006, 07:52 PM
she calls it breeding... what are you, a fuckin stallion or something?

3043
04-28-2006, 09:05 PM
I dunno dood, some redheads are really hot. We would have ask Mark's permission to see more photos. Preferably pre-photoshop ones...

Sammie
04-28-2006, 09:58 PM
she calls it breeding... what are you, a fuckin stallion or something?

Having children is by definition breeding.
I'm not just making this crap up

lol

McTucket
04-29-2006, 01:31 AM
yes, its correct, by definition.. if your charles fuckin darwin or some psycho...

Sammie
04-29-2006, 02:37 AM
you!! out of the gene pool


:p